Ammunition research (from notes I’ve made from sources) I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. ), .45 ACP (447 ft. You’ll hear a lot of people say that the .45 is better because it shoots a bigger caliber bullet, or that the 9mm is better because of its capacity. Recoil is largely the same between the 9x9mm and the .45 ACP. Yeah, I know, you’re thinking that the .45 ACP shoots a larger-diameter and heavier bullet, therefore it has to be better. Practice, practice, practice. For self defense close or far away. jack says if you throw a rock to throw the biggest rock. Its stopping power makes it a great home defense gun, Over-penetration isn’t as much of a problem with this caliber (see: big, fat, slow bullets), While slightly impractical, the .45 ACP also has the coolness factor on its side. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. Please try again. But if cost IS an issue, then a well placed shot with a high grain 9mm FMJ is better than a poorly placed .45—what I mean is that you have to get your time in at the range. When I shoot a Glock 19 defensively I am shooting a stream of 3-5 shots which land in roughly a 2 1/2" circle. As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). I am beginning to practice with the 9 mm more. Will still have a long-range, full length rifle or carbine slung over my shoulder too...Why compromise when it comes down to multiple enemies wanting you dead or wanting to taste your brain? This has been an ongoing debate for more than 100 years. As a civilian I shouldn’t find myself in a situation in the street to have to shoot into cars and where I live by code all exterior walls are concrete. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. It’s essentially a 9mm magnum. In this week's episode, Larry breaks down his thoughts on 9mm versus 45 ACP. go home kids, the shows over. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). The above writing concludes that my next pistol is .45ACP (already ordered Glock 41 MOS) and if I have to ever use it (and I hope not) - it will be one shot center body mass and wait if bad guy want to do something else. Second, our judges demand, that each shot has to be beforethought = you can shoot perp once and then you have to evaluate, if he stoped his attack. While modern ammo allows a 9mm to reliable penetrate sufficiently and expand to over .6”, the 45 can now reliably penetrate sufficiently and expand to over 3/4” of an inch. Only your focused aiming and bullets. This negates the added magazine capacity advantage of the 9mm. With the 7 round magazine it fits in my jeans front pocket. Muscle memory combined with good ole fashion "practice makes perfect" will allow you to drop a man in one shot and it won't matter what you grab in the night! Some times much faster. Apart from the .22lr, I would consider using any of them for self-defense. Dr. Krammer continues to say that shotgun noise averaged slightly more that The target absorbs about 40% to 60% of the bullets energy. All the energy from the bullet is absorbed by the target person. And by that time I lost interest in learning more. The penetration myth is a myth. But, with an effective grip the difference in recoil is not significant to have any real effect on the effective use of the handgun. 45 ACP (Manageability) The 45 acp has a bit more recoil than the 9mm, and our database marks it as 0.93 out of 4. Enough to spawn sayings you’ll see all over forums (and t-shirts). Caribou Media Group may earn a commission from qualifying purchases. The 9mm has too spotty a reputation for me to trust as my normal carry caliber. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. In my under experienced mind, you don't take 4 .45 rounds to the upper body and suffer life threatening injuries....you just plain and simply die. lbs. My EDC is 9mm. The .45 ACP is not really any better than the 9mm Luger, it’s just different. When comparing a 115 grain 9mm round to a .45 ACP bullet that weighs twice as much, that difference is so substantial that the energy foot pounds can be nearly equal. 9mm vs. .45. Over decades, many Ivy league graduates have gone there and it is the highest standard of law enforcement in our country. It’s still creating a bigger wound and crushing more tissue. But the greater concern is, that Judges in my country do not like defensive shooting. Because when you are confronted in your living room, at a distance of 10-15 feet, you have to drop him before he can fire or you are going to get hit. The fact of the high muzzle velocity will lower the enteral damage done to organs . These almost never go through a person. If worried about an encounter with bears, I'd take nothing less than 357 Mag. Next, speed of follow-up shots doesn't come from the caliber. When you actually test the loads on living breathing targets (like the Strasbourg test) , that (to me) is the best indicator. I was a medic on a team that did SAR and recon when I was overseas back in the early 70’s. Firing 12 rounds my 9 mm wouldn't penetrate it or do catastrophic damage to it. So, pick what you like, as long as the handgun iis suited to the job at hand. We took care of one man who was shot by the cops 3 times in the head with a 9 and he survived. Shoot them both at the same velocity at a block of gelatin. For fancier stuff, 9mm is cheaper per round as well. No more mild steel targets to shoot at, it completely deformed If you, as an individual, can put in the training required to fully leverage 40S&W or 45acp then it can be a great choice for personal defense. Now, I have 2 of them. Army officials were recently quoted declaring its stock of 200k-plus semi-auto Sig Sauer M11 and Beretta M9 pistols to be outdated. As if the 9mm is the only benefactor of "ammo advancement", well, I also have the awesome 460 Rowland which overlaps 44 Magnum power levels in a 13 round Glock 21 magazine. I'm sure when you wrote your "9mm vs .45 ACP" article back in April 2017, your link labeled "canceled out in some states" did go to "smartgunlaws.org" where their information on gun laws was displayed. Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. The problem is you can't always be sure of what's behind your target in a defensive situation. It kills everything else. I recently moved to my country property and am living alone. Aiming A Defensive Handgun, Is There One Right Way? The trickiest thing about protection is that you never … Certainly this is easy to understand with the .44 Magnum because it's increased velocity and mass produces essentially twice that of 9mm, but you can't say that about the other calibers. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. * lighter recoil faster follow up shot (see above) So if you double tap someone or use Mozambique you are in lots of troubles and you are looking for serious jali time for murder. any lower powder grain ammo with a soft or no jacket on the led.. Luckily my teammate behind me ended the enemy with a bullet to the head and several more to the head to make sure the target stayed down. Learn all the important stuff about handguns...with none of the attitude. By Dave Dolbee Published on July 24, 2014 in Firearms The U.S. Army has settled the age-old 9mm vs..45 ACP debate with its latest request for a new service pistol with more “knock down” power. Your 45 and your 9mm will both go clear through the walls in your house. The one that works best for you is the best choice. In conclusion: These people that sit at the alter of the FBI make me laugh. Practice practice and take a gun class to learn the law. It all boils down to mastery of weapon with the caliber of choice. What do you think? You can hit him multiple times and he can keep coming at you. While the 147gr Federal HST expanded from 9mm (roughly.35cal) to an average 15mm or.61″, the.45 ACP expanded from (again, roughly) 11.5mm to 25mm (.45″ to 1″) They both doubled in size…and since.45 ACP is bigger to start with, it became humongous in the end. It gives perspective from both sides. As you can see with .357 SIG, which has greater velocity and mass than .45 ACP, it still penetrates less. But according to the hearsay reputation of the awesome destructive power of the venerable.45 ACP, it might as well be. Just saying, look it up. Some 45 ACP ammo expands to nearly an inch as it travels through a soft target. You have to live, or die, by your choice. Bigger holes are better ones. Here are some of the advantages that the 9mm has over the .45 ACP: The 9mm also has a higher muzzle velocity than the .45 ACP because it uses lighter bullets. I rely on my skill to execute the shot. 357 magnum: the ammunition options are superior for your particular circumstance. Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. When it comes to generating energy, all things being equal, increasing velocity does this more quickly than increasing mass. Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. But no more. I got rid of all my 9mm weapons and went back to the 45 1911 (U.S. military went to the 9mm NATO round in 1996.) How about because one half of the world isn't ruled by a racist fascist psychopathic government that's completely ok with genocide. My 45ACP at 12 rounds was well on the way to chewing it apart. Most local law enforcement prefers the .40 as their primary carry round. With the latest 9mm defensive rounds it's come down to choice not effectiveness. I consistently place the 45 rounds in an 8" area. But as I wrote before, I will be sent to jali for that and I dont like small places :D What an awesome read. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google for Grizzly. Best advice ever. Nothing against the 9mm, I own several, for the range, not for carry. If you come into my home, they're carrying what's left out in a bag. Skeet shooting and duck hunting are his all-time favorite hobbies, but he's more than ready to talk your ear off about collecting and sport shooting as well. ), .357 SIG (526 ft. I've done some research on the differences regarding handguns, but now I'm getting a little confused. I shoot 240 consistently with my 40 and would never carry a 9 unless I had to. But, first let me explain. There is no perfect handgun, life always has compromises. I would take the 1911 but some folks freak when they open carry. Does anybody have one of these that can state how their carrying experience has been? It’s such a pathetic argument. Six major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. I guarantee it's not something you'll want to do again any time soon. About 15 to 20 years ago, several OCPD officer were involved in a shootout in a restaurant. Need more.? It’s truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. Thank you! But then a .22 in the eye works to. But that’s just my opinion. The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. LEOs average 20-30% hits in a gunfight. He also gives some tips on buying and customizing your own 1911. Now you may assume that the 9mm's must be effective because they simply passed through the body since more than half were FMJ's. At such a distance a 45 round would be a lot more effective than a 9. The whole point of a defensive firearm is to STOP an attacker as quickly as possible. At 3-8 yards distance, which is the most likely scenario I would find myself in need to draw, if God forbid the situation arises, aiming would be instinctive and firing would be done with one hand. Glock 43 9mm is my every day carry, IWB. Practice both bullseye and tactical shooting skills. Hum. It's all about the ammo. Damn good question and I have wondered this myself. Privacy Policy and The 45: Has more JHP expansion, More knock down power(even with a FMJ). lbs.). I settled the issue by having 32, 380, 9mm and 45. If new powders and more advanced bullet designs used helped make the 9mm better then would not the new powders and more advanced bullet designs also then put every other caliber a step up also? Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. * more rounds (20-30% accuracy by FBI measures) 45 is that it's so much easier to see the holes on a B27 target at 25 yards than 9mm holes. Recoil isn’t an issue in a Glock and my G30 has out shot a few custom guns. Thus, you have a yearly day qual and a yearly night/low light qual and that’s it. Also keep in mind that the study, and their recommendation, was based off of the assumption that they were going to be equipping thousands of people with the new weapons. I noticed that also that new powders and more advanced bullet designs seem to ONLY apply to the 9mm. I would like to add that the FBI test comparisons that are referred to are only half the test. (Pew Pew Eric) Keep the awesome info coming, I love your emails and love your site! I can shoot my Sig 17-round magazine all day and not feel my wallet getting lighter by the minute. Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. That is simply bologne. Except for maybe a BB gun! Almost reaching weak .44 mag specs... Take the 155gr XTP 10mm round from Underwood. n 2014, the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) released a report detailing the potential combat effectiveness of the 9mm cartridge when compared to other calibers such as the .45 ACP and the .40 S&W cartridge that was specifically developed for use by the FBI. There are many good rounds for the G19 for social work. If I need better concealment I carry a the little 9 since its better than nothing and its only for a short time once a week. Seriously, people think that the 9mm rounds are the only that made progress in development. Later The 1911 can be obtained in the 9mm as well as the 45 caliber but there would be another discussion circling back which is better. I am. Not always which round is bigger, faster, more powerful!!!! However, there is always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. Hi Holmes, you're right. I believe you can make darn near any caliber and pistol you have just as flexible as the next caliber. I continued on clearing the rooms. Or pick up some Federal HST 185 grain 45 ACP, 1140 fps! hey’re still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Disclosure: Some of these links are affiliate links. Home Defense Weapons: .45 ACP vs. 9mm pistol. So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. This reaction is recoil. Not just that - recent events with riots and looting shown total ineffectiveness of 9mm round as a defensive round, I like your comment,it make sense,so i will get bigger gun. First of all, an unfired bullet .45 ACP bullet is exactly 0.095 of an inch larger in diameter than an unfired 9mm Luger bullet. More recoil means more time spent between shots trying to get back on target. Please inform. This will eliminate the threat on fewer rounds. What is much more important is training and practice. They need a lot more practice. More misinformation about the 9mm vs 45. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isn’t as big if a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. Having some experience with both calibers and owning every one you can name I would also like to mention body armor/bullet proof vest testing. And if they do, a timely swat on the head will out them. I had thousands .45 230 grains  hardball and some +Ps hallow points with my standard 1911 when I tested my friend's full size 9mm. New powders and more advanced bullet designs used only work for the 9mm not 45 acp or 40 S&W? Really? Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. Lots of bullets. I have shot drywall and 2 inch plywood and have gotten little penetration from 5 yds with a Smith and Wesson 645. white box Winchester was the ammo.. Outstanding. Just keepin it real, and saying I'd like to see the testing that backs up a claim the 9mm has "way higher" muzzle velocities than the .45 ACP. We’ve built dozens of AR’s and we’ll cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. It’s the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. So, if you only have a few seconds to fire, then you may not discharge any more rounds from the 9mm handgun than you did from a.45 ACP handgun. I prefer to carry a 45acp because it rips arms off bodies and a 12 gauge in the house. I will tell them I have seen too many 9 mm GSW’s to the chest survive that round to make me comfortable carrying it. First to mention, we are limited to FMJ rounds, no HP no JHP, just plain FMJ. He can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about hunting and recreational shooting. Saying Islamic Terrorist attacks were really just another "gun violence incident" is a vile misrepresentation of reality. 2. The 45 round wrecked my armor and gave me broken ribs. They will both have the same result! There is absolutely nothing more effective. Both (roughly!) I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. I've finally finished up college and paid off my loans, and I'm ready to get back to the range at least weekly to improve my accuracy now that my budget allows. Lmao. After the bullet deforms due to impact, the difference in diameter is really what matters, and that varies a lot. I don’t understand why a situation in a street would be different than at home. This has caused a debate in the firearms community over what’s better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. Be situationally aware, proficent and accurate with your weapon and the rest will fall into place. If you are using ap rounds in a home defense scenario and your shot goes through a wall and hits your neighbor, good luck justifying it in court. I can’t see the situation where I would have to return fire on someone standing 25 yards away and where I would initiate shooting against someone at that distance. That's up in 10mm territory! At 75 yards (225 ft) you talking about the round arriving a mere .5 seconds faster. I keep ARX 118 grain ammo in my Glock 30 (10+1) which is 45ACP. I will always favor 45 Acp over 9mm. If you conceal carry then there is a 90% chance of bystanders being in your firing line. Here in my area ( and pretty much every american homeowner) it will be a gunfight that will be fought at close range, fewer than four bullets shot and be over in seconds. Fortunately plenty exists. ), , and 10mm (650 ft. God bless. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. The FBI agrees that the 9mm has lifesaving features. ), 9mm (379 ft. The suggestion that the 9mm,.40 S&W and.45 ACP are equivalent is seen by some as “the new physics.” The same experts who argue that medium calibers equal larger calibers (particularly at similar velocities) tend to also say that “energy” is meaningless in the wound ballistic context. However I don't really feel the average .45acp has that much more recoil "if any more" than a hot 9mm round. Now a .44 magnum round to the arm or leg? In fact, unlike the other calibers in this study, over half of the 9mm rounds from the 1800 bodies involved in shootings were FMJ. I was wearing body armor which absorbed most the impact but I did a face plant. I qualified expert with a variety of weapons before I went overseas. 9mm or 45acp? Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. FWIW, I find the 45 recoil is "smoother", whereas 9 & 40 seem to be "sharper", making the muzzle flip harder to recover from. Later when they started coming out with pocket 9mm handguns I started to practice with those. I may not always be there. My 1911 in 45 has little recoil barely if any more then a 9mm. These are FBI statistics. 30.30 Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? I'm not sure 45 is a good choice for bear country, most folks choose a large caliber magnum revolver with bonded solids for that job. Any one who reads this should know that vital truth! I can only say this: When your life - and the lives you protect - depend on 18 ready available bullets, you’re going to wish for more. The only other advantage of the 9mm that I can think of is that you can recover and aim your shots quicker with the 45 because it has less twisting torque. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ And if a Riot Festival ;looms, I'll be riding in the back seat doing Green Beret carry of either my AK or AR, too. In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel, which were weakened by fragmentation damage. 9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). Going to the store I take my 9 with 124 gr hst. Departments around the country, in their never ending effort to do more with less, don’t allow for practice hardly at all anymore. due to magazine restrictions, so it’s a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if you’re set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. I'm going with the 45 because I'm also getting a Henry lever action rifle to match it. For the elderly, the recoil of the standard 1911 45 is lesser because of its weight. Here are some of its best features: While slightly impractical, the .45 ACP also has the coolness factor on its side.

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